Question: There is often a lack of training data for methods like deep learning. Can shared data spaces like GAIA-X or Catena-X help remedy this situation?
Köster: I believe that these types of data and service ecosystems are important for the entire value chain in the automotive industry. They make it possible to provide access to a much greater amount of data across company boundaries than each individual company can access on its own. That is another reason why we are actively involved in these projects. However, a second important aspect in the context of SET Level is the fact that in the future we will be generating a lot of this training data synthetically, i.e. based on simulations. Environmental systems are also constantly changing, for example when cities redesign their infrastructure and integrate bike lanes to a greater extent in the traffic lanes. This must be taken into account when testing automated vehicles. Here, the various data sources – or in the future also data spaces – that are collated with GAIA-X provide important input.
Question: Is the enormous amount of time and effort being invested in automated driving in urban environments warranted?
Köster: That's an interesting question. Do we need vehicles that drive fully automatically in every conceivable situation, or can much added value also be generated in certain situations or elements of the traffic system? In many cities, you have for example a public transportation system that runs from the outskirts to the city center. Here it makes sense to fully automate the shuttles and operate them without a driver because you are familiar with the operational design domain and can implement appropriate safety strategies. If you want to support sharing concepts, you can for example automate only vehicle pick-up and drop-off via a hub. This may make it easier for people to forgo having their own car. Wanting to driving fully automatically through the narrow streets in the center of Braunschweig, where I live, on the other hand, poses an enormous challenge and in the future might be less and less in keeping with urban planning concepts.
Question: During your studies, you also explored the field psychology and did a lot of work in interdisciplinary teams comprising computer scientists, engineers and psychologists. What psychological stresses will the occupants of automated vehicles have to cope with?
Köster: If things are done properly, hopefully none. There is a lot of research being conducted on how to integrate humans in such vehicles, especially when they have to take over the driving task again. What you want to avoid is a situation in which you, as the driver, have to keep an eye on whether the vehicle is functioning correctly because this is much more cognitively demanding than performing the task yourself. Otherwise, automated driving in the future would probably be no more stressful than riding in a bus, train or cab.
Professor Köster, thank you very much for talking to us.
(This interview was conducted by Michael Wendenburg)
About Professor Köster
Prof. Frank Köster has been working at the German Aerospace Center (DLR) since 2007, where he was, among other things, head of the Automotive department and head of development for the Automotive, Railway Systems, Public Transport and Traffic Management departments at the Institute of Transportation Systems. He has been director of the newly created DLR Institute for AI Security since December 2020. At the same time, he heads up the Intelligent Transport Systems section in the Department of Computer Science at the University of Oldenburg, where he studied information technology, earned his doctorate and qualified as a professor. While working on his doctorate, he examined different approaches to modeling and simulation and also addressed the question of how simulation models can be explained with the help of data mining and artificial intelligence.